There has been so much focus on Dan's character assassination, but does it make you sad how misogynistic Selina has become? What do you think her end game will be? I can't even watch the show anymore. Everything I loved deeply for years has been ruined.
I can’t predict where Selina ends up at all, and I’m not going to try.
I had thought that, since the show’s attitude to politics has always been one of “the beatings will continue until morale improves,” it was unlikely they would finish on either a clear win or loss – preferring an ending that implied Selina keeps running around the same hamster wheel over and over.
But the way they drew attention to her lack of funeral plans did…give me pause, I must admit.
I’ve talked about it before (see here: http://thebookofmaev.tumblr.com/post/184264431978/i-think-i-figured-out-my-issues-with-veep-the) but in all honesty, I hate what they’ve done to Selina more than what they’ve done to Dan, and that is saying a lot. One of the all time great female comic characters, who was despicable precisely because she was nuanced, and likeable even at her most despicable, and they’ve reduced her down to a snarling misogynist caricature of an ambitious woman.
But Ben x Ben’s mug hasn’t been ruined for you, I hope – and I guarantee Matt Walsh will come out with some line so funny it hurts before the end of the run.
I think I figured out my issues with veep. The characters seem to have become caricatures of themselves. They lost their humanising elements. Yes dan was a dick but he did have some lines (sexual assault is bad and Amy is his) Selina was a power mad egomaniac but she had some strong ideas on women’s rights. Amy was seen as shrill and highly strung but she had her breaking point and she was vaguely respected. It’s a shame to see such a waste.
Selina’s the one that hurts the most, I think.
The very first episode had her making scathing comments about “Rapey Reeves.” Part of what made her interesting was that she had a very explicitly feminist outlook – “if men could get pregnant you could get an abortion at an ATM” is a paraphrase of Gloria Steinem, I think – while also being weary and impatient and (let’s be honest, resentful) with the unique expectations that were placed on her as a high profile female politician.
It pissed her off that she was constantly having additional expectations and obligations placed on her, because she was female, while having to endure constant low-level disrespect from the men around her.
Going by the first four seasons, I think what Selina truly resented was the necessity of being feminist – that she could never just be another politician, but was always having to fight extra, stupid battles.
The whole point of the episode with the dinner party in season 4 is that once Amy leaves, Selina becomes starved of female company. Without Amy, she really didn’t have anyone in her life who understood the unique pressures she was under, as a woman in public life.
That doesn’t mean Selina wasn’t awful, because she was, or that she was some kind of champion of women’s rights. But she certainly didn’t spout off hatred of all the women who worked for her because they dared to exist in her presence in female bodies – hating women for not performing sexiness well enough wasn’t how she played things.
She disliked Hallows – because of her voice – and Minna for her gormlessness- but Sue and Amy were two of her most respected staffers. Selina saved her hatred for Doyle and Hughes and Chung and Jonah – people who had actually done something to her.
I love JLD in the part, and she does so much to make Selina seem like a person, but Selina has become a hateful caricature at best. I think I hate what they did to her even more than what they did to Dan.
I honestly think Amy is going to Jonahs campaign to be Selinas eyes and ears in a way I feel like she and Dan have something planned I don’t think shes just going to ditch them like that because even an idiot can tell that Jonah isnt going anywhere so its not a good career path
You know, way back when we originally heard that Amy was going to Jonah’s campaign, I wondered about that. Have Amy be Selina’s inside man, sabotage Jonah’s campaign from the inside out.
Where it always fell down for me, is that it requires Selina to demonstrate some long term strategic vision, and to trust in Amy’s competence.
And now…I guess the question is why? Why would Selina seek to sabotage Jonah’s campaign – he isn’t a threat. He’s so much not a threat he’s being out-debated by a cos-playing wizard.
I think it’s simpler than it – it’s the same calculation Amy made for Dan in season 5. If Jonah fails horribly, no one will blame her, and if he succeeds even a little, she’s a political genius. It would set her up for life as a political Svengali – put her in a position where, for the first time in her life, she gets to call the shots.
And bear in mind, Amy has less holding her to Selina than ever before – both she and Dan have shown themselves to care so little, what reason does Amy have to stay? What is she going to gain from staying on Selina’s campaign except more abuse?
As always, this is terrible, terrible leadership on Selina’s part, because you do not drive the person who knows your strategic weaknesses better than anyone into the arms of the enemy – and certainly not for the high crime of daring to be pregnant. (If Selina wanted to launch Andrew at Tom or Kemi like a cruise missile, that would make sense).
Dan’s reaction is the one that takes work to make sense of, I think, because he was reacting far too much like…they were team, to Amy accepting an offer that will take her away from him. I have a theory on that, but it does read oddly.