Category: jonah ryan

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VEEP 2×04
Vic Allen Dinner

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I guess what I was trying to say about Jonah before was that Jonah in the older seasons was ridiculous but still within the realm of functional humans. In the past 2 seasons, he just became this jester character w/ absolutely no self awareness. I'm not sure if this was a jab at Trump's lack of self awareness. Either way, I agree with you that Dan & Selinia's character changes are way more jarring but just wanted to point out that even Jonah didn't escape these horrible character transformations.

Oh yeah, it definitely shows across the board. Everyone talks like Furlong now.

Like, one of the things about Jonah that was really, really clear even from fairly early on in the show, was that he had no real idea of how to be an adult man. He was awful and obnoxious and stupid and just…so, so tiresome to be around, but there wasn’t much genuine malice in him.

Part of the reason he glommed onto Dan so early on was that Dan seemed to be able to perform the role of dominant male that Jonah wanted for himself. Like, Jonah genuinely wanted Amy to like him, and want to date him, and he had absolutely no idea how to make that clear to her in a way that wasn’t insulting.

It’s kind of fascinating, because while Dan was better at performing a kind of stereotypical masculine role, I think the writing of the show made it pretty clear that deep down he didn’t have a clue what he was doing either – which was half the reason his relationship with Amy was stuck in a kind of perpetual holding pattern. He didn’t have any sense of how to integrate the “I adore this woman and her specific face” and “I am an IceMan who has sex whenever and with whoever I want” sides of his personality, and it wasn’t convenient to try and do so, so he just dodged the issue as much as possible. It’s always struck me that it was genuinely easier for Dan to be an asshole than be pleasant, which is pretty damn unusual.

This was all very, very lightly drawn (which was what made it funny), but the two were both motivated in part by fragile relationships to their own masculinity – something that’s virtually disappeared now.

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