I know the Amy abortion line is an alternate (…

I know the Amy abortion line is an alternate (and therefore probably not canon), but do you think Amy telling Dan about the pregnancy, only for her to get an abortion, would be an effective (albeit slightly sadistic) way of forcing his hand? In telling him about a pregnancy that she has no intention of continuing, it could potentially force him to confront how he feels, only for her to pull the rug out from under him by telling him she's getting an abortion. Power inversion achieved.

I think the issue with this as a tactic Amy could take is…what reason does AMY have to think that telling Dan would have anything like that reaction to learning about the pregnancy?

Don’t get me wrong – I think Dan’s veneer of heartlessness towards Amy is pretty damn transparent, but only to everyone else. As in, I think Ben and Kent were well aware of why exactly Dan wanted Amy to come work with them. Even GARY was teasing Dan about it in season two. (Selina MIGHT be oblivious, I admit, but that’s more a function of her self-absorption than anything else).

Amy herself seems to buy Dan’s act in a way most other people don’t. Never forget in 2.07 when she claimed he never shows emotion – a mere episode after he threw a major hissy-fit and became a sloppy drunk because she was dating someone Not-Him. Totally emotionless, right?

So, she has no reason to attempt to mess with his mind in that manner, because as far as she knows, it’s not something that would ever work. She doesn’t KNOW that Dan has feelings for her the significance of which he’s been refusing to acknowledge. We’ve also never seen Amy be interpersonally manipulative in that way, so I think it would be rather startling to see it now.

In other words, I think your proposed storyline works on Dan’s side – he would probably react exactly as you describe – but I struggle to see it for Amy.

Because Dan lacks empathy, but he is not a stupid man. And knowing that Amy thought so little of him she saw an abortion as the only reasonable step…well that is a serious insult on several levels. (Coming from Amy. If it was any other woman he wouldn’t give a shit).

That said, watch me be wrong about this. And lord knows I am LONGING for a power inversion. Especially as Dan in particular is so much more compelling as a character when he wants something he can’t have.

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I don't think Amy would have an abortion because the show has made it clear that Amy actually wants to have a baby. But at the same time Reid Scott said that the show takes care of the baby situation in a very "veepish" way and that really worries me. What if they actually did make it so that Amy had an abortion?

Very important thing to note here. Obviously I’ve never met Reid Scott – I don’t claim to be familiar with his personality – but I will say this with confidence. He LOVES torturing the audience when it comes to Dan and Amy. He probably feels a little Dan-like glee every time he says something he knows will make the shippers get all wound up and excited.

So, maybe take what he says with just a grain of salt. And what he says here is so vague as to be basically useless – the most we can infer is that either Dan or Amy, or both, acts in a very self-interested, obnoxious manner. Which I think most of us could have worked out.

And to be clear – if on reflection Amy decides that an abortion is the best option for her, well then fair enough. That’s the choice every woman should be able to make.

What I don’t want – and you have alluded to – is for Amy to have an abortion because she feels pushed into it by circumstances. That is, she has an abortion because she’s realised Dan is never going to support her, or because she’s convinced she’ll be torn apart in the press, or she can’t see any realistic way of combining motherhood with her career.

I mean, Dan somehow manipulating or coercing her into an abortion is my nightmare scenario, because there’s no way that wouldn’t do serious damage to a person. And I would find it out of character for Dan – he may be selfish, but he has never liked it when Amy is in genuine distress, and much like sex, abortion is something that a woman should only experience if she has freely consented to it. He’s too smart not to know what pushing her into it would do to her.

And I can’t help but think that…even if he didn’t attempt to influence her, Amy deciding off her own bat that Dan is so unreliable an abortion is her only option is pretty terrible for their relationship. I can’t see any scenario where she wouldn’t resent him for – in her eyes – taking that opportunity away from her.

I mean, they COULD change it so that Amy makes the choice all by herself…but I’m at a loss as to why they’d do. Having done all the character work to have her wanting a baby make sense, undoing it so fast would run the risk of giving her whiplash.

Have you read JLD's new interview in the …

Have you read JLD's new interview in the New Yorker? It seems like they drop a few tidbits of the S7 plot and I'm not sure how I feel about it

Big spoilers below

Some thoughts below:

1. Would Veep REALLY allow their biggest narrative hook into the next season be leaked out in this fashion? It seems like an odd (and surprising) choice, especially as people will almost certainly have FEELINGS about it.

2. This was apparently shot during the week when JLD received her award – meaning it’s not from the final episode (any steer on this will be welcome).

3. Amy leaving Selina (at long last) seems just about confirmed. Called it.

4. Amy confiding in Jonah about an abortion seems incredibly unlikely.

5: I find it extremely hard to believe that Amy would tell Dan about her pregnancy if she didn’t intend to go through with it – while he’d probably help her pay for an abortion if she needed him to, it’s not as though she’s ever known him to be particularly sympathetic. Which leaves us with a number of unpalatable options – Dan behaving so terribly that Amy changes her mind and has an abortion she doesn’t actually want, or something goes wrong with the pregnancy, and she has to have one. Need I say, I’m not a fan of either of these? The latter because it would be incredibly distressing – and if they still have Amy pining for Dan after he forces her into an abortion, I think they’ll run the risk of outright character assassination. I am not here for Amy Brookheimer permanent doormat. And yet we’ve seen at least some pictures between them where she looks happy(ish), which seems really unlikely under those circumstances.

6. We know the season has a time jump (possibly multiple time jumps). We also know that the final episode (which they’re currently filming) has a LOT of costumes, and that both Amy and Selina are repeating costumes that they wore earlier in the show. Does this remind anyone else of Kissing Your Sister?

7. What I wonder is if Veep is going for a bait and switch, where they make it appear that Amy had an abortion, and she and Dan are in a strange place because of that – but then we find out in the final episode that what actually happened is that she had the baby, conceived again shortly afterwards, and decided that two children under two and a presidential campaign was too much for anyone to handle, and so opted for an abortion. And the reason we won’t have seen the kid? Because both Dan and Amy are terrible parents, in true Veep tradition. (Also I can easily see Amy just assuming that Dan will be his usual worthless self, and so compartmentalising as much as humanly possible).

Now, watch me wrong about this. But I really struggle to believe they would make Dan THAT awful and expect us to still tolerate him as a character.

maybe it's a reach, but I could totally s…

maybe it's a reach, but I could totally see amy lying about having an abortion (again) and attempting to hide her pregnancy in ridiculous ways so that her competency as a campaign manager is not put into question

My only problem with this is…Amy has Anna Chlumsky’s body. And Anna Chlumsky is TINY. Have you ever seen pictures of her when she was pregnant? I mean no insult when I say this, but she is one of the more obviously pregnant women out there. I will admit though that Jonah is easily oblivious enough that he might not notice – and Amy is definitely someone who would try to go back to work ASAP after giving birth. (I still cannot believe Americans don’t get guaranteed maternity leave, it’s absolutely barbaric – between that and the terrible, terrible chocolate, I’m surprised there hasn’t been an uprising).

So, on a practical level, I think it would become impossible almost immediately. Though Amy lying about an abortion would tie in quite neatly with her lie in season 1, as you say.

Mostly though I would encourage cautious optimism – I remember a lot of people being certain David Mandel was looking to torture everyone who liked Dan and Amy in season 6, and look how that turned out.

Have you read JLD's new interview in the …

Have you read JLD's new interview in the New Yorker? It seems like they drop a few tidbits of the S7 plot and I'm not sure how I feel about it

Big spoilers below

Some thoughts below:

1. Would Veep REALLY allow their biggest narrative hook into the next season be leaked out in this fashion? It seems like an odd (and surprising) choice, especially as people will almost certainly have FEELINGS about it.

2. This was apparently shot during the week when JLD received her award – meaning it’s not from the final episode (any steer on this will be welcome).

3. Amy leaving Selina (at long last) seems just about confirmed. Called it.

4. Amy confiding in Jonah about an abortion seems incredibly unlikely.

5: I find it extremely hard to believe that Amy would tell Dan about her pregnancy if she didn’t intend to go through with it – while he’d probably help her pay for an abortion if she needed him to, it’s not as though she’s ever known him to be particularly sympathetic. Which leaves us with a number of unpalatable options – Dan behaving so terribly that Amy changes her mind and has an abortion she doesn’t actually want, or something goes wrong with the pregnancy, and she has to have one. Need I say, I’m not a fan of either of these? The latter because it would be incredibly distressing – and if they still have Amy pining for Dan after he forces her into an abortion, I think they’ll run the risk of outright character assassination. I am not here for Amy Brookheimer permanent doormat. And yet we’ve seen at least some pictures between them where she looks happy(ish), which seems really unlikely under those circumstances.

6. We know the season has a time jump (possibly multiple time jumps). We also know that the final episode (which they’re currently filming) has a LOT of costumes, and that both Amy and Selina are repeating costumes that they wore earlier in the show. Does this remind anyone else of Kissing Your Sister?

7. What I wonder is if Veep is going for a bait and switch, where they make it appear that Amy had an abortion, and she and Dan are in a strange place because of that – but then we find out in the final episode that what actually happened is that she had the baby, conceived again shortly afterwards, and decided that two children under two and a presidential campaign was too much for anyone to handle, and so opted for an abortion. And the reason we won’t have seen the kid? Because both Dan and Amy are terrible parents, in true Veep tradition. (Also I can easily see Amy just assuming that Dan will be his usual worthless self, and so compartmentalising as much as humanly possible).

Now, watch me wrong about this. But I really struggle to believe they would make Dan THAT awful and expect us to still tolerate him as a character.

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casliyn:

🚨spoiler alert for season 7 of ‘Veep!!🚨

READ AT YOUR DISCRETION!!!

Hmmm.

I wonder. Veep does love to bait and switch people, and it’s looking like the final episode will be heavy on flashbacks to earlier scenes in the season.

Also, in what universe would Amy confide in JONAH about having an abortion?

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selina-meyer:

BUDDY IS HER RUNNING MATE I HAVE TO KILL MYSELF

It’s possible this is a flashback. That looks like the same white dress Selina was wearing in the debate scenes.

But remember I said Amy might leave Selina again before the end of the show? This would be a good reason why. Yet again Selina would be forcing her to work with her odious ex, and I cannot imagine Amy working with Buddy for any length of time and not burning everything down.

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*Sobs*

130 costumes.

It takes me so long to get screenshots of Veep, I’m really, really bad at it. It’s going to take FOREVER. (Also, I think we’ve seen Selina in that green floral on some of the bts shots – it is fabulous and I want it).